Manwithbox, Who told you "Никакой криминализации впн в Китае нет. Знаю из первых уст. Там вся страна на впн сидит, его даже легально продают."

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@manwithbox

Now please translate Китае, впн, криминализации into Chinese: 中国 vpn 刑事定罪. Put these three words 中国 vpn 刑事定罪 into Google search, and you will see several columns of information. I will use one of the results to show you here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220205032800/https://www.lawdsy.com/list_detail.php?cid=51&id=679

Case 1: Criminal Judgment No. (2018) Zhejiang 0329 Criminal First Instance 46 of the People’s Court of Taishun County, Zhejiang Province

The public prosecution agency accused and the court found that the defendant Xue, without obtaining the “Value-added Telecommunications Business License of the People’s Republic of China”, privately set up a VPN server at home and sold VPN proxy services through Taobao stores, with a turnover of more than 470,000 yuan.

The court held that the defendant Xue violated the administrative regulations of the State Council and the departmental regulations of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, illegally engaged in the operation of value-added telecommunications business, disrupted the order of the telecommunications market, and was an illegal business activity, and reached the level of “serious circumstances”, and should be held criminally responsible for the crime of illegal business operation.

Case 2: Criminal Judgment No. (2020) Su0723 Xingchu 126 of Guanyun County People’s Court of Jiangsu Province

The court found that the defendant Huang sold accounts for circumvention software on the website, and rented 5 servers from overseas service providers to provide the aforementioned accounts with access to foreign website services that domestic IPs cannot access, making an illegal profit of 137,147.5 yuan.

The court held that the defendant Huang ignored national laws and provided programs and tools specifically used to invade and illegally control computer information systems. His behavior constituted the crime of providing programs and tools for invading and illegally controlling computer systems.

The first case is selling VPN on Taobao, and the second case is building and selling VPN. Is this what you call "его даже легально продают "？

Those who sell VPN will be arrested, so what about using VPN? See here
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/翻墙罪

In August 2015, the developer of Shadowsocks was punished by the administration. Developing tools to bypass the Great Firewall will be punished by the administration, and people who bypass the Great Firewall will also be fined. What crime have we committed? The crime of bypassing the Great Firewall! But do you know? When someone is arrested for the crime of bypassing the Great Firewall, what will everyone say? This person must have done something “should not do” and said something “should not say”. Will you be arrested if you watch pornography? Don’t you know what you have done? Hahaha, isn’t it pathetic?

In 2023, a Chengde programmer had his income of more than one million yuan confiscated for climbing over the firewall. From the moment he climbed over the firewall, the income he earned after climbing over the firewall could be targeted by the Internet police at any time and confiscated on the grounds of illegal climbing over the firewall. We don’t even have property rights.

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/714649.html

In 2025, Taiwanese YouTuber @啊岳啪啪走 RENATO bought a SIM card at the airport service counter when he traveled to Shanghai, China. The service staff enthusiastically helped him download the VPN application and taught him how to use it. When asked whether it was legal and compliant to circumvent the firewall in China, the service staff replied, “We Chinese are not allowed to circumvent the firewall, it is illegal”, “but for the convenience of foreign tourists, foreigners can legally circumvent the firewall”, and she also claimed that she had never circumvented the firewall.

Hahaha, isn’t it funny? Yes, foreigners can legally bypass the firewall in China, and even waiters will considerately help foreigners download VPNs.
In your mouth, such humble Chinese people have become “Там вся страна на впн сидит”. Can you use your brain to think about it, if the whole country can use VPN without worries, then why build a wall?Is Xi Jinping just bored and has nothing to do?

I have shown you so many cases of people being punished for circumventing the Great Firewall, but do you know? The Chinese government has never admitted that there is a GFW. Why? Because the GFW includes the TSPU and the Iranian firewall, which is essentially a 24-hour DDOS attack on its own citizens. I will explain this in my work chonglang notebook er series when I have time.

Isn’t this particularly paradoxical? The government has never admitted the existence of GFW, but they can impose fines in the name of circumventing the firewall. Everything is in a gray area. People use it secretly, and the police choose to fine. What a country ruled by law (:

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/编程随想
And Our “Godfather of bypass GFW” Program-think is still in jail

I hope our today is not your future，fuck Putin 、xi jinping

ok,now show me “Знаю из первых уст.”

In addition, I recently updated the XHTTP tutorial : https://www.chonglangtv.org/t/topic/742

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I’m not that much in a topic but I’ve been surfing through reddit not long ago and came across some hysterical chinese messages that even httpx is not a 100% solution now.

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I think it is fake. Because GFW is easy enough to bypass. At least for youtube.

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The Hysteria project has been out for three or four years. What news are you talking about?

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I was in China a few days ago and personally verified that some free VPNs from Google Play work there. And SS+Cloak and XTLS+Reality also worked on my personal VPS.
Perhaps I wasn’t there long enough and didn’t consume enough traffic to be detected.

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Everything is in a gray area

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@xijinping , did you try “zapret” in China? Does it work there or not?

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Well, I don’t have any real arguments but still - I think that tourist’s experience still would be different anyway. Same with “business” china, not the “rural” one.

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I have written a tutorial on zapret and of course I have tried it. The old problem is that it does not work when encountering an IP black hole, but it works for most websites blocked by SNI. But I haven’t used it for a long time.
Using tools like zapret, if RSA is cracked by quantum computing in the future, the websites you visit now may be leaked if post-quantum encryption is not enabled, so I only use it for emergency use

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I think you are afraid too much :grinning: The only reason to be paranoid in this case, if you are political activist or something…
If not, just keep calm, look at this:

I guess, nobody cares

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If you are communicating with me in Chinese now, I will suspect that you are the national security trying to test whether I am using Zapret, but now I will assume that you are not.

Am I too scared? No, I have said that everything is in a gray area. The police may want to collect more money to go home for the New Year at the end of the year and then be arrested. We have always lived in such fear. All the arguments in my article are linked. Why don’t you patiently click in to take a look?

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Sorry if i hurt your feelings. I’m just trying to reveal the truth. Look at this post:

Spoiler

Работает ли Sheas Cealer в России? - #10 by SpaceTime

He told us, that many chinese use this tool and have no problems at all.

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https://2047.one/t/16729#Post-174455:~:text=IP（首先需要关闭所有chrome进程，否则不生效）：-,chrome,---enable-quic%20--origin-to-force-quic-on%3D2047.name%3A443

I used the original method of the tool you gave me in 2021.

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I mean, many chinese use just replacement googlevideo.com → gvt1.com and all works bypassing GFW. No arrests, no complicated technical methods…

Yes, method is old. Misunderstood…

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Are you showing off your skills to me? Can you show me something new? Why are all these things I left behind? Do you want me to teach you about MITM? What is ECH? What is HTTPS? RSA?
I wrote a whole series of tutorials, why don’t you take a look first?

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You can click on the link in my article to see if what I wrote is true or false.
Fear can sometimes be materialized as a text message or a phone call.
Everything is in a grey area, people use it secretly and the police selectively fine it.

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So, if you watch YouTube in China for yourself, not spreading something, for example vpn, socks, tunnels for money. Does it mean police can arrest you by the law?

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You don’t have to disable post-quantum encryption in order for Zapret to work. It can reassemble those “fat” post-quantum Client Hello packets and process them correctly.

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I know, but now, few websites have enabled MLKEM768 post-quantum encryption, except for some websites under cloudflare and google.

If the website does not support it, it is useless for your client to support it.

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I continue to reply you, “And second, it’s really hard to believe in all these things you described, because there are not so many countries in the world like China with social workers, messages about punishments and so on.”
See here

Chinese internet users have faced the world’s worst conditions for internet freedom for a decade. People face severe legal and extralegal repercussions for online activities like sharing news stories, talking about their religious beliefs, and communicating with family members and others overseas. Authorities wield immense power over the technology industry, deploying regulatory investigations and removal orders to enforce government narratives.

  • Authorities restricted access to anticensorship tools, blocking access to “unauthorized” virtual private networks (VPNs) and penalizing people who used them (see B1 and C3).
  • Censors systematically scrubbed criticism of the government from the internet, including expressions of grief and other commentary after the unexpected death of former premier Li Keqiang in October 2023 (see B2).
  • New rules for self-media accounts—independent writers, bloggers, and social media celebrities—were introduced in July 2023, including real-name registration requirement for accounts with over 500,000 followers. The new rules prompted some individuals to close their accounts (see B6 and C4).
  • Independent filmmaker Chen Pinlin was detained in November 2023 after posting online a documentary with footage of the historic White Paper protests of the previous year. He faces up to five years in prison (see B8 and C3).
  • Sun Lin, an activist and journalist, died from injuries after a November 2023 police raid. He had posted online about videos of anti–Xi Jinping protests in the hours before the raid (see C7).

You still can’t believe it now? China’s Internet freedom score is 9, which is the lowest in the world, while Russia’s Internet freedom score is 20. I am just showing the situation of 9 points to people who score 20 points

You seemed to have said before that I was a radical.
Do you know what the definition and scope of radicals are in China?
If you call Xi Jinping by name or directly criticize him on social platforms, you should be prepared to be summoned by the police. Even if you use metaphors, such as Winnie the Pooh, you will be banned by the platform.
This is a radical,
Can you directly criticize Putin on Russian social platforms?

If you still don’t believe it, you can come to China to experience it, and by the way, enjoy the various privileges of foreigners in China, including the privilege of bypassing GFW.

In addition, I said before that there was a problem with the translation of being socially engineered. I was socially engineered by the Internet police.

Maybe you should relocate somehow if you think you live in a hell?

You asked me why I didn’t leave, because “program-thinking” is still in prison. The seeds of democracy that were so hard to plant cannot be cut off in my generation. I don’t want to say I’m self-sacrificing. I just want to do something to help push their dreams forward… I will never, ever, ever leave.

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